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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:55:08 -0400,
"Pastor" Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
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Robert<robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
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When the Christians that you claim to be the majority of them, stand
up to the bigoted RRR and deny them as Christian, then we can talk.
When the "real" Christians stand up for the rights of other to live
according to their own beliefs, then we will be on the same side. Stop
attempting to force Christian praying on school children. Stop
opposing marriages for gays. Stop the campaign against Porn which is
support for censor ship. Start supporting pro-choice for abortion, and
logical sex education. Oppose Capital Punishment because we are not
infallible and innocent people get executed. Give others the respect
you would like for your selves, and you will get the respect you will
come to deserve. First you have to clean your own filthy Pig Sty.
BTW good men do not stand by and allow evil to be done in their name.
In other words, when Christians stop being Christians and stop following
God's word, then you will be happy and you falsely claim that's Christianity.
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Wrong. Being FAIR to people IS being Christian.
As usual, your compassion is totally lacking.
You should have included my RESPONSE to Robert.
As follows:
= = = = = = = = =
BACKGROUND: Per the Gallup Poll:
-- 83% of Americans *profess* Christianity.
OF those, I've observed over the years that 94%
are actual practicing Christians, and that only 6% are
the PSEUDO-Christian lemmings of the RRR Cult, who
support that cult's loathsome, hateful, and bigoted
agendas against personal liberties for tens of millions
of people. Unconscionably. Some of those LYINGLY
claim to be Christians, and aren't remorely so. And
many are actual Christians of lower intellect who have
been CONNED by the RRR's leadership level (e.g.,
Jerry Falwell, the cult's founder, until he kicked the
bucket... D. James Kennedy, until HE bought the
farm... James Dobson... Beverly LaHaye... Gary
Bauer... Chuck Colson... Donald Wildmon... Cal
Thomas... and a few lesser-known ones) into sub-
scribing to their moronic and UN-Christian agendas
of hate.
= = = = = = = = =
Craig Chilton wrote:
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Robert wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
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AND... *most* of us Christians who have *nothing* to do with
the RRR Cult are NOT upset when someone else has diiferent
religious beliefs. Or even if they have none. THEIR business!
When the Christians that you claim to be the majority of them, stand
up to the bigoted RRR and deny them as Christian, then we can talk.
The very same thing that saves you from being belittledand harassed
by actual Christians ALSO protects the RRR Cultists from condemnation by
them for their pursuit of hateful and bigoted agendas: APATHY. They
tend to very much mind their own business, and don't react except as
individuals when something comes along to gore one of their personal
oxen.
So it's a double-edged sword. GOOD in terms of their NOT being
busybodyish/buttinskyish control-freaks... but BAD because most of
them don't make the effort to *actively* DEFEND and SUPPORT per-
sonal liberties.
In THAT respect, I'm not a typical Christian. I'm a typical Christian
in most respects, but I'm ALSO an active egalitarian who OPPOSES
bigotry.
When the "real" Christians stand up for the rights of other to live
according to their own beliefs, then we will be on the same side.
Just just WHAT do you think *I* have been doing? I **FULLY**
acknowledge and support the right of EVERY person on the face of
the earth to believe EXACTLY as he/she chooses. And guess what --
even though apathetic, the vast majority of Christians feel the same
way... and 99% don't even proselytize AT ALL.
Stop attempting to force Christian praying on school children.
That's one of the RRR Cult's pet agendas. Those loons somehow
have the notion that "God was kicked out of public schools" by the
Supreme Court. Which is laughable, since MOST public schools didn't
have participatory prayer to begin with.
Stop opposing marriages for gays.
I *support* that 100%, (See SIG.) SSM is harmless, and there is
NO reason to oppose it. Again, such opposition is an RRR Cult
agenda.
Stop the campaign against Porn which is support for censorship.
I *loathe* ALL forms of censorship. Always have. Always will.
And I regard porn to be harmless, and perhaps even benficial as
an outlet that can prevent sexual abuses.
Start supporting pro-choice for abortion...
I'm the author of "The Pro-Choice VICTORY Handbook." You
can find it on Amazon. 83% of Americans are Christians. 85% of
Americans are PRO-Choice for some or all abortions. Do the math.
...and logical sex education.
I absolutely oppose the ludicrous sex education called "abstin-
ence-only." That's another RRR Cult agenda.
Oppose Capital Punishment because we are not infallible and
iinnocent people get executed.
I support it ONLY in cases that are totally open-and-shut.
Such as in the case of the Long Island Railroad killer.
Give others the respect you would like for your selves, and
you will get the respect you will come to deserve.
You would be AMAZED how many actual Christians are on the
same page with you. The PSEUDO-Christians of the RRR Cult
have done a very effective job of making us sem guilty by asso-
ciation with them, by their lyingly (or having been deceived, in
the case of the more ignorant/gullible) claiming to be Christians.
BTW good men do not stand by and allow evil to be done in
their name.
And I DON'T. I oppose the RRR Cult all the time, every way
that I legally can.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Re: ACTUAL Christians vis-a-vis the PSEUDO-Christians of the |
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Wrong. Being FAIR to people IS being Christian.
As usual, your compassion is totally lacking.
You should have included my RESPONSE to Robert.
As follows:
blah, blah, blah, .......
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: ACTUAL Christians vis-a-vis the PSEUDO-Christians of the |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:29:55 -0400,
"J" <Jvisions@live.com> wrote...
... nothing but a moronic LIE. (Flushed.)
Previous post re-presented, below.
* * * * * * * * * *
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:55:08 -0400,
"Pastor" Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: |
Robert<robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
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When the Christians that you claim to be the majority of them, stand
up to the bigoted RRR and deny them as Christian, then we can talk.
When the "real" Christians stand up for the rights of other to live
according to their own beliefs, then we will be on the same side. Stop
attempting to force Christian praying on school children. Stop
opposing marriages for gays. Stop the campaign against Porn which is
support for censor ship. Start supporting pro-choice for abortion, and
logical sex education. Oppose Capital Punishment because we are not
infallible and innocent people get executed. Give others the respect
you would like for your selves, and you will get the respect you will
come to deserve. First you have to clean your own filthy Pig Sty.
BTW good men do not stand by and allow evil to be done in their name.
In other words, when Christians stop being Christians and stop following
God's word, then you will be happy and you falsely claim that's Christianity.
|
Wrong. Being FAIR to people IS being Christian.
As usual, your compassion is totally lacking.
You should have included my RESPONSE to Robert.
As follows:
= = = = = = = = =
BACKGROUND: Per the Gallup Poll:
-- 83% of Americans *profess* Christianity.
OF those, I've observed over the years that 94%
are actual practicing Christians, and that only 6% are
the PSEUDO-Christian lemmings of the RRR Cult, who
support that cult's loathsome, hateful, and bigoted
agendas against personal liberties for tens of millions
of people. Unconscionably. Some of those LYINGLY
claim to be Christians, and aren't remorely so. And
many are actual Christians of lower intellect who have
been CONNED by the RRR's leadership level (e.g.,
Jerry Falwell, the cult's founder, until he kicked the
bucket... D. James Kennedy, until HE bought the
farm... James Dobson... Beverly LaHaye... Gary
Bauer... Chuck Colson... Donald Wildmon... Cal
Thomas... and a few lesser-known ones) into sub-
scribing to their moronic and UN-Christian agendas
of hate.
= = = = = = = = =
Craig Chilton wrote:
| Quote: |
Robert wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
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AND... *most* of us Christians who have *nothing* to do with
the RRR Cult are NOT upset when someone else has diiferent
religious beliefs. Or even if they have none. THEIR business!
When the Christians that you claim to be the majority of them, stand
up to the bigoted RRR and deny them as Christian, then we can talk.
The very same thing that saves you from being belittledand harassed
by actual Christians ALSO protects the RRR Cultists from condemnation by
them for their pursuit of hateful and bigoted agendas: APATHY. They
tend to very much mind their own business, and don't react except as
individuals when something comes along to gore one of their personal
oxen.
So it's a double-edged sword. GOOD in terms of their NOT being
busybodyish/buttinskyish control-freaks... but BAD because most of
them don't make the effort to *actively* DEFEND and SUPPORT per-
sonal liberties.
In THAT respect, I'm not a typical Christian. I'm a typical Christian
in most respects, but I'm ALSO an active egalitarian who OPPOSES
bigotry.
When the "real" Christians stand up for the rights of other to live
according to their own beliefs, then we will be on the same side.
Just just WHAT do you think *I* have been doing? I **FULLY**
acknowledge and support the right of EVERY person on the face of
the earth to believe EXACTLY as he/she chooses. And guess what --
even though apathetic, the vast majority of Christians feel the same
way... and 99% don't even proselytize AT ALL.
Stop attempting to force Christian praying on school children.
That's one of the RRR Cult's pet agendas. Those loons somehow
have the notion that "God was kicked out of public schools" by the
Supreme Court. Which is laughable, since MOST public schools didn't
have participatory prayer to begin with.
Stop opposing marriages for gays.
I *support* that 100%, (See SIG.) SSM is harmless, and there is
NO reason to oppose it. Again, such opposition is an RRR Cult
agenda.
Stop the campaign against Porn which is support for censorship.
I *loathe* ALL forms of censorship. Always have. Always will.
And I regard porn to be harmless, and perhaps even benficial as
an outlet that can prevent sexual abuses.
Start supporting pro-choice for abortion...
I'm the author of "The Pro-Choice VICTORY Handbook." You
can find it on Amazon. 83% of Americans are Christians. 85% of
Americans are PRO-Choice for some or all abortions. Do the math.
...and logical sex education.
I absolutely oppose the ludicrous sex education called "abstin-
ence-only." That's another RRR Cult agenda.
Oppose Capital Punishment because we are not infallible and
iinnocent people get executed.
I support it ONLY in cases that are totally open-and-shut.
Such as in the case of the Long Island Railroad killer.
Give others the respect you would like for your selves, and
you will get the respect you will come to deserve.
You would be AMAZED how many actual Christians are on the
same page with you. The PSEUDO-Christians of the RRR Cult
have done a very effective job of making us sem guilty by asso-
ciation with them, by their lyingly (or having been deceived, in
the case of the more ignorant/gullible) claiming to be Christians.
BTW good men do not stand by and allow evil to be done in
their name.
And I DON'T. I oppose the RRR Cult all the time, every way
that I legally can.
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http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
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http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: ACTUAL Christians vis-a-vis the PSEUDO-Christians of the |
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"Pastor" Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
Wrong. Being FAIR to people IS being Christian.
As usual, your compassion is totally lacking.
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That coming from a bigot who shows no compassion for millions of
people.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Proof that chilton is a liar and hypocrite. |
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On 13 Jul 2008 18:50:18 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
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You've stated repeatedly that you have no compassion for
the millions of people who you want to drive out of the country,
regardless of the suffering and death that you would cause.
VERY wrong. Not even counting all the other negative aspects, the
one thing that bothers me the most about it is the fact that as long as
they remain here, the ILLEGAL aliens are figuratively giving a very hard
slap in the face to the millions of LEGAL immigrants who followed the
rules, obeyed the law, and worked hard to EARN their residency and
citizenship status.
THAT *alone* would be more than enough reason for them all to go
back home, get at the back of the line, and do the process honestly
and RIGHT.
You're not an immirgant, legal or otherwise, and you don't get to speak
for those who are.
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SO MUCH, then, for all of us who have been, and are, ALLIES
of the blacks, of the women, and of the gays, and support and defend
their access to across-the-board EQUAL rights, huh? Because not BEING
black, female, or gay, we can't speak for them, right?
My plan, if Congress were to adopt and pass it, would actually
SPARE all of the ILLEGAL aliens who were not guilty of *other* crimes,
from prosecution and/or deportation. The law very simply would carry
versy sensible HARSH penalties (heavy fine and at least a year in prison,
for hiring or continuing to employ ILLEGAL aliens. Thus, once enforce-
ment of that law began, it would become impossible to earn any money
here, if her illegally -- because NO employer would DARE employ them.
And I propose that IF such a sensible law were to be passed, that
enforcement would begin either 90 or 180 days later, to enable all of
the illegal aliens to earn all the money they would need to return to their
homelands COMFORTABLY. NO harassment. NO suffering. NO deaths.
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FACTS about ILLEGAL Aliens
(1) ILLEGAL aliens did not belong here in the FIRST place.
(2) Federal laws prohibit undocumented entry into the USA.
(3) Federal laws STRICTLY prohibit WORKING in the USA without
proper and legal documentation (such as a Green Card.)
(4) Every ILLEGAL alien is a CRIMINAL by default, for entering
illegally, and even MORE of one if WORKING here.
(5) Throughout our history, tens of millions of people have
worked HARD to EARN residency and citizenship here.
(a) CRIMINALS should NEVER be *rewarded* for being
criminals.
(b) According LEGAL status to ILLEGAL, criminal aliens
without their INSTEAD applying for it through proper
channels and EARNING it would be a massive **insult**
to the millions who did it the RIGHT and LEGAL way.
(6) Urge your Congressperson to SUPPORT H.R. 1940.
More information:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
If the URL doesn't work, combine its components,
below, in your browser:
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Proof that chilton is a liar and hypocrite. |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
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On 13 Jul 2008 18:50:18 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
You've stated repeatedly that you have no compassion for
the millions of people who you want to drive out of the country,
regardless of the suffering and death that you would cause.
VERY wrong. Not even counting all the other negative aspects, the
one thing that bothers me the most about it is the fact that as long as
they remain here, the ILLEGAL aliens are figuratively giving a very hard
slap in the face to the millions of LEGAL immigrants who followed the
rules, obeyed the law, and worked hard to EARN their residency and
citizenship status.
THAT *alone* would be more than enough reason for them all to go
back home, get at the back of the line, and do the process honestly
and RIGHT.
You're not an immirgant, legal or otherwise, and you don't get to speak
for those who are.
SO MUCH, then, for all of us who have been, and are, ALLIES
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: Re: ACTUAL Christians vis-a-vis the PSEUDO-Christians of the |
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On 13 Jul 2008 18:46:22 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer -- CRIMINAL-coddler <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Advocate for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! wrote:
Gwen <bennetwithonet@gmail.com> wrote:
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J Young fancies you. He's about the only idiot left in
Usenet that does.
Your being totally delusional is noted.
denial: a psychological defense mechanism in which
confrontation with a personal problem or with reality
is avoided by denying the existence of the problem
or reality.
Indeed, Ray! YOUR denial of the ILLEGAL alien problem is a
PERFECT example of that!
It isn't a problem just because some bigot hates brown people.
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Some BIGOT might. However, I "loathe" bigotry, and when I was
going to college in Mexico City, and living with a Mexican family that I
truly loved, the color of people's skin was the LAST thing I gave any
thought to.
Senora Rodriguez... I hope she's still around 44 years. That great
chicken dinner she gave me on my birthday! I asked her what it was
not knowing if it was chicken or turkey. "Es zopalote!," her daughter
Sylvia (16) said. After dinner, one of my roommates said, "Best
buzzard I ever ate!" What halcyon days. And all those Sunday after-
noons when the son, Carlos (14) and I would hop a bus down Insur-
gentes to the bull ring. It became sort of a tradition. Sunday? Off to
the bullfights! There ws a billboard there, back then that read.
"Coca Cola de la nada mas."
A direct translation of that never seemed to make sense. I finally
decided it must be an idiom, that doesn't make *literal* sense, just
as so many ones in English don't, if we think about them in that
manner.
And the strolls through Chapultepec Park, with its incredibly
beautiful flowers and its swans, by the Diana Fountain, at the
start of the Reforma. Just three blocks from where I lived. The
"pesero" taxis that ran up and down the Reforma from the park
to the Zocalo, in the city's center. All you had to do was stand on
the curb and hold up an index finger. Ride along with other pass-
engers doing the same thing, for any distance one way. A peso
was only 8 cents, U.S. BIG silver-looking coin the size on an Ike
dollar! (I'll bet the peseros are gone, now. A modern subway
system has since been built, and was already in place the last
time I spent any time in Mexico City -- in 1983, when I flew my
parents down there.
My mother's gone now, but I still remeber a very poignant
moment that happened at our hotel on the last night we were
there. It was almost Christmas, and our rooms looked right own
on the Zocalo, three stories up. I'd taken my parents to most
of the major points in and near Mexico City, and even to the
market over the mountains in Toluca. My mother told me about
this the next morning, as we prepared to go to the airport.
She was looking out at the Christmas lights around 10 p.m.,
and she said, sadly, "Goodbye Mexico City." And at that
very moment, the lights went off.
How I LOVE Mexico and its people, and I've explored a
great deal of it. Michoacan! What a state! Mil Cumbres...
means "thousand peaks." Wondrous. The fisherman on Lake
Patzcuaro with their unique butterfly nets. The Island of
Janitzio in the center of it, with the statue and itw winding
staircase. The girl I met and returned to a couple of times
near Uruapan. (She said that's pronounced, "Rew-AH-pun.")
We enjoyed horseback riding together. That's the town
where the new volcano, Paracutin, was born in the 1940s.
And I love the weekly markets and their unique wares
and merchants. And the archeological zones... Mitla...
Monte Alban, in Oaxaca... Uxmal and Chichen Itza, in
Yucatan. So much to see and do, and the people everywhere
were so wonderful. I made most of those trips either by bus
or train.
How *much* you just DON'T know, Ray!
-- Craig Chilton
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On 13 Jul 2008 18:50:18 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
| Quote: |
You've stated repeatedly that you have no compassion for
the millions of people who you want to drive out of the country,
regardless of the suffering and death that you would cause.
VERY wrong. Not even counting all the other negative aspects, the
one thing that bothers me the most about it is the fact that as long as
they remain here, the ILLEGAL aliens are figuratively giving a very hard
slap in the face to the millions of LEGAL immigrants who followed the
rules, obeyed the law, and worked hard to EARN their residency and
citizenship status.
THAT *alone* would be more than enough reason for them all to go
back home, get at the back of the line, and do the process honestly
and RIGHT.
You're not an immirgant, legal or otherwise, and you don't get to speak
for those who are.
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SO MUCH, then, for all of us who have been, and are, ALLIES
of the blacks, of the women, and of the gays, and support and defend
their access to across-the-board EQUAL rights, huh? Because not BEING
black, female, or gay, we can't speak for them, right?
My plan, if Congress were to adopt and pass it, would actually
SPARE all of the ILLEGAL aliens who were not guilty of *other* crimes,
from prosecution and/or deportation. The law very simply would carry
versy sensible HARSH penalties (heavy fine and at least a year in prison,
for hiring or continuing to employ ILLEGAL aliens. Thus, once enforce-
ment of that law began, it would become impossible to earn any money
here, if her illegally -- because NO employer would DARE employ them.
And I propose that IF such a sensible law were to be passed, that
enforcement would begin either 90 or 180 days later, to enable all of
the illegal aliens to earn all the money they would need to return to their
homelands COMFORTABLY. NO harassment. NO suffering. NO deaths.
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FACTS about ILLEGAL Aliens
(1) ILLEGAL aliens did not belong here in the FIRST place.
(2) Federal laws prohibit undocumented entry into the USA.
(3) Federal laws STRICTLY prohibit WORKING in the USA without
proper and legal documentation (such as a Green Card.)
(4) Every ILLEGAL alien is a CRIMINAL by default, for entering
illegally, and even MORE of one if WORKING here.
(5) Throughout our history, tens of millions of people have
worked HARD to EARN residency and citizenship here.
(a) CRIMINALS should NEVER be *rewarded* for being
criminals.
(b) According LEGAL status to ILLEGAL, criminal aliens
without their INSTEAD applying for it through proper
channels and EARNING it would be a massive **insult**
to the millions who did it the RIGHT and LEGAL way.
(6) Urge your Congressperson to SUPPORT H.R. 1940.
More information:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
If the URL doesn't work, combine its components,
below, in your browser:
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Advocate for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas
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Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer -- CRIMINAL-coddler <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Advocate for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! wrote:
Gwen <bennetwithonet@gmail.com> wrote:
J Young fancies you. He's about the only idiot left in
Usenet that does.
Your being totally delusional is noted.
denial: a psychological defense mechanism in which
confrontation with a personal problem or with reality
is avoided by denying the existence of the problem
or reality.
Indeed, Ray! YOUR denial of the ILLEGAL alien problem is a
PERFECT example of that!
It isn't a problem just because some bigot hates brown people.
Some BIGOT might.
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You, for example.
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However, I "loathe" bigotry,
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Bigots never realize that they're bigots.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Proof that chilton is a liar and hypocrite. |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
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On 13 Jul 2008 18:50:18 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
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You've stated repeatedly that you have no compassion for
the millions of people who you want to drive out of the country,
regardless of the suffering and death that you would cause.
VERY wrong. Not even counting all the other negative aspects, the
one thing that bothers me the most about it is the fact that as long as
they remain here, the ILLEGAL aliens are figuratively giving a very hard
slap in the face to the millions of LEGAL immigrants who followed the
rules, obeyed the law, and worked hard to EARN their residency and
citizenship status.
THAT *alone* would be more than enough reason for them all to go
back home, get at the back of the line, and do the process honestly
and RIGHT.
You're not an immirgant, legal or otherwise, and you don't get to speak
for those who are.
SO MUCH, then, for all of us who have been, and are, ALLIES
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You enemies of immigrants don't get to speak for immigrants, bigot.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Proof that chilton is a liar and hypocrite. |
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On 14 Jul 2008 04:20:19 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
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RE: **ILLEGAL** Aliens ---
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VERY wrong. Not even counting all the other negative aspects, the
one thing that bothers me the most about it is the fact that as long as
they remain here, the ILLEGAL aliens are figuratively giving a very hard
slap in the face to the millions of LEGAL immigrants who followed the
rules, obeyed the law, and worked hard to EARN their residency and
citizenship status.
THAT *alone* would be more than enough reason for them all to go
back home, get at the back of the line, and do the process honestly
and RIGHT.
You're not an immirgant, legal or otherwise, and you don't get to speak
for those who are.
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[[[ READERS: Please take note of the portion of the paragrah
below that Ray dishonestly OMITTED (now restored, between
the double brackets)... before making his ASININE comment. ]]]
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SO MUCH, then, for all of us who have been, and are, ALLIES
[[ of the blacks, of the women, and of the gays, and support and defend
their access to across-the-board EQUAL rights, huh? Because not BEING
black, female, or gay, we can't speak for them, right? ]]
You enemies of immigrants don't get to speak for immigrants, bigot.
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NOT "enemies of immigrants." (1) The people in question are
NOT immigrants. They are ILLEGAL *intruders*. HUGE difference!
"Immigrants" are people who worked hard to enter the USA *legally*
by following the rules and obeying the laws to EARN the status that
they have. (2) I am an OPPONENT of the LAW-BREAKING done by
the ILLEGAL aliens. Very sensibly. And (3) I am about the most
OPPOSITE of a bigot as any person you'll ever see. Ive fought it
all my life.
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My plan, if Congress were to adopt and pass it, would actually
SPARE all of the ILLEGAL aliens who were not guilty of *other* crimes,
from prosecution and/or deportation. The law very simply would carry
very sensible HARSH penalties (heavy fine and at least a year in prison,
for hiring or continuing to employ ILLEGAL aliens. Thus, once enforce-
ment of that law began, it would become impossible to earn any money
here, if her illegally -- because NO employer would DARE employ them.
And I propose that IF such a sensible law were to be passed, that
enforcement would begin either 90 or 180 days later, to enable all of
the illegal aliens to earn all the money they would need to return to their
homelands COMFORTABLY. NO harassment. NO suffering. NO deaths.
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-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FACTS about ILLEGAL Aliens
(1) ILLEGAL aliens did not belong here in the FIRST place.
(2) Federal laws prohibit undocumented entry into the USA.
(3) Federal laws STRICTLY prohibit WORKING in the USA without
proper and legal documentation (such as a Green Card.)
(4) Every ILLEGAL alien is a CRIMINAL by default, for entering
illegally, and even MORE of one if WORKING here.
(5) Throughout our history, tens of millions of people have
worked HARD to EARN residency and citizenship here.
(a) CRIMINALS should NEVER be *rewarded* for being
criminals.
(b) According LEGAL status to ILLEGAL, criminal aliens
without their INSTEAD applying for it through proper
channels and EARNING it would be a massive **insult**
to the millions who did it the RIGHT and LEGAL way.
(6) Urge your Congressperson to SUPPORT H.R. 1940.
More information:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
If the URL doesn't work, combine its components,
below, in your browser:
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: ACTUAL Christians vis-a-vis the PSEUDO-Christians of the |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Bigot
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Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
Indeed, Ray! YOUR denial of the ILLEGAL alien problem is a
PERFECT example of that!
It isn't a problem just because some bigot hates brown people.
Some BIGOT might. However, I "loathe" bigotry,
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You ARE a bigot, and proof is your irrational hatred of "illegal
aliens".
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Bigot
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Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
You enemies of immigrants don't get to speak for immigrants, bigot.
NOT "enemies of immigrants."
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Yes you are, bigot.
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(1) The people in question are
NOT immigrants.
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Even though YOU refer to them as immigrants.
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They are ILLEGAL *intruders*.
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Just like the jews were subhumans according to the nazis.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: ACTUAL Christians vis-a-vis the PSEUDO-Christians of the |
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On 13 Jul 2008 18:46:22 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer -- CRIMINAL-coddler <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Advocate for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! wrote:
Gwen <bennetwithonet@gmail.com> wrote:
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J Young fancies you. He's about the only idiot left in
Usenet that does.
Your being totally delusional is noted.
denial: a psychological defense mechanism in which
confrontation with a personal problem or with reality
is avoided by denying the existence of the problem
or reality.
Indeed, Ray! YOUR denial of the ILLEGAL alien problem is a
PERFECT example of that!
It isn't a problem just because some bigot hates brown people.
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Some BIGOT might. However, I "loathe" bigotry, and when I was
going to college in Mexico City, and living with a Mexican family that I
truly loved, the color of people's skin was the LAST thing I gave any
thought to.
Senora Rodriguez... I hope she's still around 44 years. That great
chicken dinner she gave me on my birthday! I asked her what it was
not knowing if it was chicken or turkey. "Es zopalote!," her daughter
Sylvia (16) said. After dinner, one of my roommates said, "Best
buzzard I ever ate!" What halcyon days. And all those Sunday after-
noons when the son, Carlos (14) and I would hop a bus down Insur-
gentes to the bull ring. It became sort of a tradition. Sunday? Off to
the bullfights! There ws a billboard there, back then that read.
"Coca Cola de la nada mas."
A direct translation of that never seemed to make sense. I finally
decided it must be an idiom, that doesn't make *literal* sense, just
as so many ones in English don't, if we think about them in that
manner.
And the strolls through Chapultepec Park, with its incredibly
beautiful flowers and its swans, by the Diana Fountain, at the
start of the Reforma. Just three blocks from where I lived. The
"pesero" taxis that ran up and down the Reforma from the park
to the Zocalo, in the city's center. All you had to do was stand on
the curb and hold up an index finger. Ride along with other pass-
engers doing the same thing, for any distance one way. A peso
was only 8 cents, U.S. BIG silver-looking coin the size on an Ike
dollar! (I'll bet the peseros are gone, now. A modern subway
system has since been built, and was already in place the last
time I spent any time in Mexico City -- in 1983, when I flew my
parents down there.
My mother's gone now, but I still remeber a very poignant
moment that happened at our hotel on the last night we were
there. It was almost Christmas, and our rooms looked right own
on the Zocalo, three stories up. I'd taken my parents to most
of the major points in and near Mexico City, and even to the
market over the mountains in Toluca. My mother told me about
this the next morning, as we prepared to go to the airport.
She was looking out at the Christmas lights around 10 p.m.,
and she said, sadly, "Goodbye Mexico City." And at that
very moment, the lights went off.
How I LOVE Mexico and its people, and I've explored a
great deal of it. Michoacan! What a state! Mil Cumbres...
means "thousand peaks." Wondrous. The fisherman on Lake
Patzcuaro with their unique butterfly nets. The Island of
Janitzio in the center of it, with the statue and itw winding
staircase. The girl I met and returned to a couple of times
near Uruapan. (She said that's pronounced, "Rew-AH-pun.")
We enjoyed horseback riding together. That's the town
where the new volcano, Paracutin, was born in the 1940s.
And I love the weekly markets and their unique wares
and merchants. And the archeological zones... Mitla...
Monte Alban, in Oaxaca... Uxmal and Chichen Itza, in
Yucatan. So much to see and do, and the people everywhere
were so wonderful. I made most of those trips either by bus
or train.
How *much* you just DON'T know, Ray!
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
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Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer -- CRIMINAL-coddler <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Advocate for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! wrote:
Gwen <bennetwithonet@gmail.com> wrote:
J Young fancies you. He's about the only idiot left in
Usenet that does.
Your being totally delusional is noted.
denial: a psychological defense mechanism in which
confrontation with a personal problem or with reality
is avoided by denying the existence of the problem
or reality.
Indeed, Ray! YOUR denial of the ILLEGAL alien problem is a
PERFECT example of that!
It isn't a problem just because some bigot hates brown people.
Some BIGOT might. However, I "loathe" bigotry,
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You ARE a bigot, and proof is your irrational hatred of "illegal
aliens".
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net |
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